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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
* d1 _! P+ J$ V  x: ITNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈
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. \! l5 K" Z6 e* N版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
4 S5 b$ M" j" Z/ O, B% e, t" T2 UIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
9 v. _+ a" n; U- D6 }Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
+ G( U) h5 o/ T' V- K  D; SAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.. Y9 A* I+ l9 O* U! H/ o  @
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and5 r/ P6 Q; [* L8 [
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following$ h8 P% Z2 e) a
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required
9 v" o% B" P5 Uclearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:5 d6 e! F; v2 Q' s: H- Y
a. peak: 200 V
) a- v" c2 G) hb. rms: 120 V
% D4 n- M; R" ^  r) s5 v! Fc. d.c.: 60 V
) e8 Z3 g* ~0 S( U# v# r; v  {176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008: I1 R- l! \) ]1 c5 A8 L
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
; l* J. Q9 Z' H5 E  n6 owith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for; l* w6 m; E. R  D9 v3 }6 N' U6 @# y
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
9 T( ~. _/ U+ {5 Y( ~9 _The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the3 k' I. U$ G) Q" J/ \; ]- ]
d.c. value is used for creepage distance." Z1 g! M) d+ V! @2 l
RATIONALE:" X# W: n1 f, C; Z* n$ {$ ]
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
- Z+ {$ t& S$ P' Q6 ], }7 _8 KSignals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
  K4 l7 U+ v0 e  ^. qto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered; {6 b4 s0 F; r
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
+ t( K: o: Z- }; \6 N4 T6 jAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation
, d! t  Y2 d9 i" hof a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
" W0 E$ ?, q( A2 @2 N! e+ Nexternally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
* r% f1 \6 P; jthis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits
$ h; @  v( y% L1 D6 xshall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may
/ @2 P$ ]) c9 R" b) u- X2 Bbe used.1 {  s: w$ k1 I7 Y$ b
根据class III equipment定义的条款
& i& j! h' {* j6 L4 B- o5 f8 V1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon
% t( E$ y" g& V& q! rsupply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated$ h  V8 i, f% s8 Q0 {
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.6 P: ^7 @4 [' a- j* E
我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :4 m7 U. q( I) c5 ]: X
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
$ Z$ ]$ w+ h* o( nIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication0 v2 @- }! C- o5 s8 m  N& L
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and; B; u1 S  B1 R, O  ?2 S
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.3 |9 @  P& |  u1 D
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
3 D0 k5 C  w% H, O* X.......

. u  }0 F) n" q2 {, G3 I7 FTNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
4 K8 _* h- y# Z/ Q直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III6 s5 ?  b* w5 L2 Z( j) _
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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