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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :. I2 n, P$ c, l1 S: @# n
TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈& G0 U; N8 q7 R
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版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
6 S# t  Y$ {1 L& X' WIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
, @' F5 H/ F2 E  INetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and& X* S; I# O1 e0 j- Q. v
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.6 a' R" g# C* g: i* o2 \
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and  c5 D- W7 C7 I& [2 e) j3 c1 m8 W
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following, ~1 r5 A) N/ z6 r1 w% L
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required  {! G( @+ a% {5 W% ?
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
9 K# [- q& u7 q. ta. peak: 200 V% S" C8 G7 B( U' ~" |/ C, f# O
b. rms: 120 V( k' x; U' L0 ^8 [/ |
c. d.c.: 60 V
6 w6 G7 Q3 ~  G176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
4 ?0 F! z1 S; A2 K2 h# t4 \If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
, A5 y5 ?' E$ B' {with IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for9 |9 v- z! }6 [" K$ r, r, ~- h
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
  h2 |, A1 n& l( c+ Y; M( tThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the. R: `3 @( w, o7 g1 x! j
d.c. value is used for creepage distance.9 [1 J  V! f* I
RATIONALE:- v( K' S$ t' u' H4 L! J+ x
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication" f" L6 g5 ]2 |; ], x( A, Z( Z. P
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced  [) O5 T: s7 Z1 r
to earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered6 L* y% N" K2 _# W. s1 f
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
. P' k4 k/ o3 T4 t. ^Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation; s  L5 @# j! M5 v! F
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate, n6 w2 Y% T+ j2 n: V
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
( O' a8 P+ V# l- ^8 ?$ V6 Z: v) fthis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits
, U4 G' j9 F5 rshall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may& e! I2 l7 ^8 i1 J
be used.; p- e7 w: w# M, H
根据class III equipment定义的条款
( y: d" x- ^5 V+ u6 h, }7 e1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon
: ]% S: a# P- e+ |9 d$ n. ^supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated+ @! }$ N$ N8 g+ W* B' w$ L
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
; Z, g9 u* `9 g7 M* p6 C我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :9 R2 ^( R% R3 L  b6 l* H" F7 D
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
/ U+ D0 V9 x+ RIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
9 M1 d/ D' }; f3 a- V; N/ CNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
/ U, S% I- d0 a, C. g' }Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
6 Y$ s1 Z0 L. K* y' [: O6 k! w8 FIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
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TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?7 `1 t" q3 y9 M& i
直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III+ H& k6 h' e, Y& P/ @: Z. ^; m
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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