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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :3 d$ `1 d# a# }: y. U
TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈) B6 w( b) g) s  _6 G" l

% I/ g7 j( {" |6 P& b版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits5 G5 Z* v& Y$ L3 T" P5 J6 a1 e
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication- ?/ w- c. ?0 z- L2 E! x
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
; C2 ]1 r' z1 o3 Q4 L2 A: `Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
5 T& v. W3 `4 H) d% z5 r) J3 c* QIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
7 h; E1 o  G/ u; d$ n4 y- ereceives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following
8 B( O  {8 C2 _, i% J8 i& g- R8 Omaximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required) o2 Z; I% G3 C% b0 ^
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:' x$ }7 f5 J' [
a. peak: 200 V
: i' B( q# r9 g+ bb. rms: 120 V) w  s6 j& L  O# j
c. d.c.: 60 V8 Q( U- ~2 b: m) p2 U+ p
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008, ]' K. D7 y1 k$ B% r7 X) c3 o  b
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult" |$ m3 R( I3 W) d6 D
with IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for. e7 L5 V) R& K* ?$ o( t$ s/ k
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
+ r3 ~  v" k) M. t6 L7 @5 QThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the
$ \$ a, W& z: ?! r4 ]# V5 Wd.c. value is used for creepage distance.' X/ B+ B& ?8 c' Y# G) W
RATIONALE:  l3 {0 V9 s. i3 ]( U8 F+ D) b& z3 Z
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication! R5 R# q0 c/ d
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
; v7 ~6 y9 [# U  d# jto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered
" u8 j/ e. B' `the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
/ _7 T6 X- O5 A3 v4 QAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation- |$ P5 f: V$ ~4 G; }
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
) t4 Y/ T8 o& {4 y( `/ Sexternally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
. c, q1 B' v$ Q. b) M6 q' }" ]this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits
6 C6 a6 m3 N' ~2 q# T0 Kshall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may+ b6 x; M, s+ h0 e  ~
be used.& h$ S1 W- _1 P( x
根据class III equipment定义的条款
% h- x5 x, s& G. s! f1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon
% Z7 O( D* |) M/ _9 ^9 |supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated
  l+ s" o6 `' P9 e9 t) zNOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.% Y: I5 K$ m7 o
我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。$ v& J; G( K, z+ `& ]
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :; u3 a: t9 ?' g" c2 p5 F
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
' x8 |3 N, U$ _* e" ^If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication9 g( w: n5 V1 U, u8 k# r
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
6 X. s9 C% L! b. P4 i( M& jAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
+ V; R( h9 b- I! hIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and* {! F# y) f2 n/ @) E) M
.......

0 Q4 O3 \$ i( S1 T% UTNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
7 K: p1 \2 B! _直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III
# @$ W/ b  W- ]标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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