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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
0 O) g( l4 I) S8 @) R! DTNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈
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4 J4 ?  m6 V# i- h版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
) {! _5 C$ r; y3 q# AIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication1 Q  ~4 P; j0 L) W
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and* D6 i2 z5 O/ `
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.' Y) ~& O1 J* j6 c
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and% @# x0 n6 e" R6 ]
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following2 O0 Y+ ~1 i& s0 H6 {- y
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required; {/ o, U# }5 p% v2 _# @8 K
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:% Y+ w- A. p& A% K$ y- x( D4 X" ~
a. peak: 200 V
; f$ L# @3 P2 z; S0 d( Pb. rms: 120 V% {# o9 B; ~0 w. p% P( x$ w) k: S) O
c. d.c.: 60 V
% g6 F9 ?, I: ?% w: O176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 20087 A8 F, I7 Z4 m, c
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
6 f% ?: U) ]& xwith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for
- O: @; K% q/ N# tequipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
4 Q" u9 d% e5 |  iThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the4 C# K/ P5 \, I5 ]$ d8 g1 \% ~
d.c. value is used for creepage distance.# u) D% v  ?) u
RATIONALE:
$ f& Q& x/ ?% \" v5 qAnnex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication, O$ a( h) Z: T' I7 W
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
- @  v6 m: q% F" x9 oto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered
* J( x0 s$ o0 S6 d$ A% Jthe maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
( n) x! s- f2 Q/ I3 ^3 Q  [Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation% Q  e  x0 h' A4 Z  b7 f
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
- Y7 {( y- _' e% r) ?! Yexternally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
, K, }; d/ A$ J0 S4 ~  Zthis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits- o, Y0 Y/ i8 b9 r$ h
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may7 Y5 ?% B0 V$ z, W! E2 Q3 `/ ?
be used.  D, d. V3 f6 p) N# D( g
根据class III equipment定义的条款
: L. U# c% q2 W) N1 p1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon! K) a9 h* N3 K- H0 `0 m' i
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated
' a0 p/ w  S" {2 PNOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
( @. v/ N8 z% \我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
  z7 a$ f4 N, f+ _9 [参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits$ ]2 M' B! t. W+ o4 [
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication; ]$ \# a5 j3 ]; g0 I3 {- X
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and% z1 h: S7 c! o- H) p$ I7 C
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
9 e: q. q, ^4 @) u( a, C$ RIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and7 h3 m# |/ C  v' ^: y
.......

0 F) \+ S  [, t+ p; WTNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?5 _4 B  O9 F' W: v: p
直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III6 b# f0 b0 h" b, _
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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