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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
4 v0 O. M9 I2 P$ Z+ |+ WTNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈
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6 l. o, I. S! K' U; d版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits# x. c* J5 f4 h3 u& x7 A
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
+ k& b% B2 S1 Z4 Q) `$ aNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
6 [/ y) w0 _% oAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.+ l% a' Z  M' f# E6 T! W
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and' ^* @( s  T- T% l
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following
# p' T7 {0 A9 b. F- ]  X& }% k* Hmaximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required
# P: j+ p7 ~8 U  H8 _. Tclearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:# }( v0 z4 h7 ^- C
a. peak: 200 V
$ S- t/ p; g! Y/ cb. rms: 120 V
( c5 o* N1 W6 O" @3 Yc. d.c.: 60 V& E% X8 l1 b8 @0 o4 [! T+ Q: _9 D
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008. y  f- Q# R" d6 Y0 Z& N
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult4 Q0 S. w" b) ^' Y  l
with IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for
. k0 w& t. r* D- [. kequipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
9 l& ~/ h1 b: z- J! bThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the& C, G  b4 Y% p8 w0 ?1 C3 O; Z
d.c. value is used for creepage distance.
# U; Y/ B3 D8 G! d3 {1 ?' w, ORATIONALE:
% ~5 |5 \8 ^9 W! B, h3 iAnnex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication: y4 S" O/ D7 f: Q
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
4 N" G2 A( e. x( ?to earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered2 K6 b+ n0 T+ W* B% M" \5 u' C* P
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.% W2 O+ @7 J: u* |' w& |
Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation8 f' [  M+ l& D7 A; t  l
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
1 Y1 Y3 _* ]0 j& M2 h. V  Qexternally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to" j/ B/ F/ P+ B9 d' e* D
this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits3 C8 |! i3 Q2 C. C& q9 w/ I
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may/ b8 m: `3 ^' g
be used.6 X0 R0 Q& h! e& I: u1 }6 a* Q' l& b
根据class III equipment定义的条款! x1 T) C$ Q% {& s' h. n
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon$ w% n" W9 ?: d- m  Q1 Y
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated  B8 x* ]6 g: h) V' u! F7 U
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.' z3 k" B7 Y0 O) s  L
我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
+ Q' D/ a, E3 G/ i: w参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits- e7 R" [# c6 R. Z1 _
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication4 J6 F4 G4 ^$ |% b, U8 K% |0 {
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
* A& c4 q( O9 z1 `. ^3 u# v) Y1 [3 K% FAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
3 C$ Q- A2 W! Y/ C5 V& }7 }If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
/ p# v% l0 R  l0 ]3 J$ @; ]# t.......

0 O: F4 U" [4 S7 ~3 C* G. fTNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
6 I, F1 X) q4 Q直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III' \6 r; G) g( x( {
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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