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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
. b7 C5 e6 j% A- {TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈
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版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
! k6 M) A  ~6 I. |8 U3 _If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication- O" \8 N8 O, x$ G9 s& c: T$ S
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and% J2 p+ @" }& D, l0 `
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
0 {# h" N! B4 V5 S. k. D# {If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and5 E" t; u( z% p2 {$ S
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following& _) x' a4 T2 K/ M4 r
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required
  G1 H2 S; W4 \# j/ bclearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
9 a3 M' N+ t# r$ k! T# Ca. peak: 200 V( g8 _/ u$ m  E9 ^0 k5 [# P$ N9 L, Y
b. rms: 120 V1 o  ~# v3 T: |8 S: Q2 v4 u2 S" V
c. d.c.: 60 V6 P. Z/ _: m. p: Y( G' H- G
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
) U; H. e- @2 p8 w- _# Y2 ^If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult+ s- Z; k( K. R
with IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for9 b  U" U+ `; D$ g, P* E
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.( S8 F1 Y7 {( ^; n" f7 [
The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the; ?+ c$ m! d- q# N% c- B  M
d.c. value is used for creepage distance.
' B# a4 w) e2 t& p' sRATIONALE:
5 }4 D% n7 T! O0 v( T! z7 zAnnex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
" W- D6 V9 m% `% f4 d3 hSignals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced/ j( u- n% Y# S" r/ k0 v+ ?
to earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered. |9 x# }* I3 n5 h2 c( Y9 f
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
- e" s' ?* i* E% f2 L$ SAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation
# q, v2 X5 r; e' F! ^1 J, dof a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
: A/ H  y7 `/ n1 }) H) l, zexternally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to* U3 q5 f# R' v1 i% O' t1 T
this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits
3 D. @9 X8 [# V3 y, t& nshall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may- ^# H& B& x1 D) \7 e
be used.: X. I9 p+ y% |0 @
根据class III equipment定义的条款
' K0 ]7 z& j( c( }# F, X1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon
# C- y+ G0 m7 Ssupply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated
* o6 ?. P9 F) Q; F+ e' g9 X& t" ]NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
6 \. S7 ^4 J4 e% z我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。6 y" F7 ?  N3 U  d3 U# E6 Z
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :. _3 z5 r) X, g0 B8 o) X! y6 v
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits, C( b. C( l" h2 S8 y3 H/ Z
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication' K! L# t8 P. P
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and! Y! I8 P& \8 K# \
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
- L, L- K/ u+ ?9 [If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
8 {9 P7 X# \5 u' y3 K# m& d.......
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TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
6 z4 W$ h) N  t3 {  Q4 ~直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III/ R% j- H( ?/ W4 k# m- v
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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