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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
& d- @! l2 \/ c9 G9 p; I) ~/ k/ ATNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈# z: D+ W( S6 u; `3 B/ J) [9 Y3 J

0 P1 S& I4 N" Y) C+ z  b- M) n* m; v版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits0 [) v! Y; u! ^2 T2 p
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
5 j. o% [' E7 G) A- nNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and# h+ v, @* n2 i2 u8 b: U  H& k8 R
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
0 u7 c$ f) O6 M7 F: |If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
" A. W, m1 e$ F- c! J. f: X, ^receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following
- E& J* j& k% B. C/ L" Z' ?" _$ d+ Fmaximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required8 u; `- P7 j4 V5 {/ X1 Y
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:9 K/ M: ?) y3 y/ Z6 q
a. peak: 200 V& V+ M  ~* X" ]2 |# i4 N
b. rms: 120 V0 L/ ]6 ?8 a9 C7 N2 T4 U; `
c. d.c.: 60 V
( c. D" f5 R  }& ?7 p176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
- M5 j7 J* `! W' r, A# A( C: i3 }If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
0 `2 q! v1 r0 ~& L; z' U0 Uwith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for: s6 F' e" ^' q" ~/ }# j9 ^% T) ~
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.5 C2 _* k/ \# m# P0 K4 |
The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the
% l) h0 l7 a% n$ O( q8 p/ [" Vd.c. value is used for creepage distance.
; A/ D* \8 `% E* f0 S$ }RATIONALE:- T- R: T3 O- j7 h" {+ X! L4 `
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
; ~* I3 [  p: r" aSignals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
) {  E2 Q( g8 f+ x+ a1 _, Z$ Fto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered" K( S" J8 l, \; T
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
! t- y$ D9 }( C4 yAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation2 G5 }- R: o8 v! M
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate  a0 a7 h" l, u# A4 G: w
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
0 O; Z# e0 ?4 |3 Mthis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits2 c( n* v& q6 M! ^' Z% i( u
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may% O& @" {  H# `6 L/ w
be used.
* B# X+ Y; C: v4 d" {8 T+ M4 U3 v* P根据class III equipment定义的条款) c# u, L8 g: V9 \3 Y& F" {3 b
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon
5 l5 P6 Q8 v0 Y% y+ Y  ]6 q, V; esupply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated
0 }" k1 h8 h0 N3 h4 n* J: {NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
" f+ B+ p* h" n我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。0 C: w8 y, b1 V2 Z- V
欢迎拍砖% w) S4 f$ y7 E7 }$ t. l5 p6 K! N
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :' ]+ m" i: C1 p7 \0 B
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits* `% E" S# `- D" d2 K, w( N
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication/ m7 `/ P8 F* {: X4 C
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
4 R6 m5 Z' `! L% V& jAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.: s- Z  h5 \+ C" B3 V" w
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
: U7 O! d8 J1 X+ x1 n  i5 f7 O.......
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TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
- n0 [( U5 `+ d$ A6 q9 L直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III
& p/ U" s& C1 f/ x标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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