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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :5 e; I1 @+ t9 t" r- H
TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈
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版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits4 W7 D1 {! @" G& h! |
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication! D% t5 I- D, g1 W
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
& s, ?% J0 k, j4 x6 XAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.) O) M/ i) s0 H0 v; G
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and/ O! C* `9 _9 i) K9 i2 `
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following
5 `7 q+ b% Z9 }9 K1 Z$ zmaximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required
+ E" u8 n" o8 I2 \+ ~7 ]! Fclearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:$ M$ l- n  g: w( l; K
a. peak: 200 V
, T, f, z: W* \- Db. rms: 120 V+ q2 L( A' R" [  B2 B% q" o4 P# |
c. d.c.: 60 V. c3 e7 ^; J+ V' l1 t
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 20088 a) k. r" L1 D4 a0 u& J8 ^; Q
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
9 V8 ?! V, u; U4 r, dwith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for
5 C: z& C: r" B, c  Hequipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.. Y- e: N4 J6 `) M& E, \. b% t
The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the
$ _1 T  r- n- ^+ z4 vd.c. value is used for creepage distance.
; s8 H5 d0 g- k; S# x9 n/ jRATIONALE:  o! {- c, _" v" p4 {! ]" ^, Q
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
6 B# N9 W4 E7 e( TSignals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
( r- C- b( e' ^2 [( A8 Fto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered1 j: g- E1 w5 A" Y
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
$ N0 d+ q* u/ E; _# N) CAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation- ?, z% p5 ?. \6 V
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate# Z( R* O7 S, X( }; r
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
: _& ^2 E, C7 m1 Sthis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits
) F/ _1 l! O6 G  p1 H6 ushall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may5 l4 C$ R6 s" \7 A7 q; V0 \
be used.
" @* b, J' j* o8 ?! ?' h7 C0 X( k5 [3 s根据class III equipment定义的条款+ `* s0 A% ]7 V6 D/ @
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon% w! t3 X' R& i# f8 A
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated4 A* [" w2 e4 S3 t
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
' A0 ?! h4 S1 g$ t! t我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
! f( `: n5 M* c. Q* |+ A9 h& j参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits7 q1 Z) r1 h3 P" R( n! [3 \8 Y
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
& p/ c: v  @, }3 E, }3 f$ W6 H  ENetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and% I7 V- }8 v4 j& N) a# o& L$ t! L
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.+ X. w: x  ?# N% ~3 D2 s
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
# q5 f, a3 D; Q.......
1 W: p1 G; n; f: \$ P- M
TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
% l! F' x7 H% t# @直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III& J. r+ o. `- _7 I2 n
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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