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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
/ t) ?) H, a% o8 FTNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈& u& `% o1 y1 x: P5 H

! |* y) y: o$ U! X. ~2 q版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
  F& r( H" r, W0 YIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
/ @6 C& S- g* l" p; y( I+ X- }Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
; q- Z$ R. B* l& O. l/ F1 KAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.9 I8 A% b/ _  U  `7 P
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
1 `3 ~9 @' g/ s+ y) b* F0 K6 [9 v# Vreceives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following
6 f5 }8 {0 }# t# ~$ N$ Hmaximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required6 ]# R8 O  Z  f1 H  h) O6 ^) B
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
; l$ A7 b+ G! I5 y& f% da. peak: 200 V8 u+ n5 v8 ~' k) O1 \# _% A5 r+ i
b. rms: 120 V/ ~1 ^/ w2 i6 J9 t' I. I
c. d.c.: 60 V
' U1 f% [3 c0 |) D' e/ ~176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 20088 x* r3 Q. Q: o( g( C* t
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
  k0 @0 Q3 U+ v4 ~$ r% mwith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for
6 D) d, I) A# e6 i3 I% e, pequipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
2 @% u% @' f( c! f4 hThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the
; ]# p' `- w2 u5 pd.c. value is used for creepage distance.% b2 h% n) i0 C2 b2 x+ V
RATIONALE:
& x- p. O& v; A$ Q; D3 zAnnex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
, h+ j0 V0 C1 r* I- ]" gSignals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
0 g' g  m) S9 a4 F; g7 x6 bto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered/ A* ]5 ]8 y1 z
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.( k0 R7 P- }" [* e; X
Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation8 d3 @! E$ W  |6 X0 d: d9 i* i
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate1 z1 c! G7 ]4 z
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to2 b0 i, s% A0 U, t  B' x
this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits% w( \) A( q) V; t, Y
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may  s5 D6 R& g% x1 ~  E' _0 g! i
be used.6 ?7 w" l, }2 E8 `+ A9 w% [* P
根据class III equipment定义的条款( O* P2 ~' H/ d* }7 H0 B- Y2 T# n
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon  V9 v  j; U2 Y  ?
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated) Q2 w. T6 Y% u- H( Z- A* q
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.! m/ d) T! t( S1 S. V( S. q1 X
我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。& i* w4 X. A, v# X
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
, G0 c1 t: J4 p; P$ m, X参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits) d* O) \# \' ]3 L4 X
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
* G* X8 m% @6 Y# l8 e9 G8 ~- SNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
4 l0 V3 b' x# W/ [4 J6 _# H1 BAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values." h2 n' }; p2 z$ S" Y
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and$ M. i4 ^: x$ P& k7 q+ @  {
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3 R3 g  U: ?5 ^; Q; e" FTNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?! h' A7 n( \: L+ |$ S- {
直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III/ d6 i6 g/ P* p# m4 }% r) R* m, l
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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