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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :! }5 F. X1 d# u
TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈( }- ~1 H/ p1 Y8 `& T
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版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
9 \! R+ d8 j! B3 AIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication. D- k, l$ t4 u& Q/ Q
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
3 E; O+ X) k8 |% j6 A2 LAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.8 a8 R2 C. e! ^9 l6 D
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
" {  H' d. S, A+ c; ^receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following6 K$ e3 q0 \  g: {/ T4 M
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required" Z4 y- z; R/ h& z
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
: g# V# S5 o. va. peak: 200 V
0 U5 e4 E& @# i& ]& Xb. rms: 120 V
: f5 S& O7 `( t: Xc. d.c.: 60 V; k+ K* _2 f4 G" `
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008& d& r+ P$ q: A+ M; J
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
6 D, f7 E$ ^5 h. {9 E9 ?with IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for# }) |/ D  x2 P: Q. v& \
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.; I& e6 t1 ^' a! P6 W
The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the! ~' [( k) v; V! g$ X# \8 s( g% r/ C
d.c. value is used for creepage distance." I( x6 h6 ~* n3 ^
RATIONALE:
, ]7 q5 A* S9 c" J& ]3 \; qAnnex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
" q: M, n8 q$ Y9 `0 ^Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
! u; t% g* D) _: @5 Gto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered  {' C6 w( o: {' M( ?% a
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.. R2 j4 ~, S4 o
Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation
$ m- L, M  B: s2 Oof a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate, p7 q3 `+ ^  r  F  R1 W
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
- ]. _: |( _8 W5 e) y& Mthis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits) z8 J2 d, p! ]5 E# j7 h* `5 D3 K
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may
% |% S/ c8 e7 k! Dbe used.* B; g' }( M. v: R, s
根据class III equipment定义的条款
) U) Z5 _' \+ f# M& H1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon  T- X0 W4 [7 D7 {
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated' @) }' |% |9 j* N9 T
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.) _5 X  O$ G. M/ ]0 ?$ y6 y- h
我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :4 A& ?" e. s1 x& c
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits2 g  y* w$ D0 q5 J  f& o; a4 t
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication5 @/ H2 L# E0 B
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
% t7 b! W" `( S. u5 f" fAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.; P! T- z; E  u7 j
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and0 N/ J: _5 p8 R5 F/ W, M$ E
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TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
& |3 B3 r+ z. {9 d0 B" D- ]0 E直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III
- p# j& c0 i9 k7 p0 z/ Y% C) c& |标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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