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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :1 F9 ^* |# w% v2 r
TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈& [8 T; r' t* [

. a( T8 `9 g, Q  u" U版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits' d. }) d3 Z7 K) E1 j( d1 o
If the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication$ q/ k1 k2 f) V3 c3 r
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and" l; i( L. t1 S5 G
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values., U: F- r% D. ]  H
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
( e7 F$ m9 h2 X. _1 N5 kreceives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following7 C* x2 r. u1 K. p
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required+ ^6 R0 ^8 t3 A5 B) m; H4 H
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
' V5 y& {1 Y: _- |7 ^a. peak: 200 V
: o9 v1 v/ }: M/ wb. rms: 120 V! F2 l  \% k/ u$ ?
c. d.c.: 60 V
6 L6 K( {7 B( g( E. d176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
* ?$ L4 S! H1 l5 A3 g8 t# Z$ \  t7 BIf the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
; n4 T7 u  i- }- q; |with IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for1 `0 o% b5 [3 O5 G- W! ?3 m* y
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.+ ?$ Y* k: c% G7 x0 n7 X
The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the/ M8 }. u6 `! G. {
d.c. value is used for creepage distance.& ?/ `& W) ]% s% L' ]
RATIONALE:
0 I& F( C4 b0 h" s/ aAnnex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication- j$ X! K" R: a4 \
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
9 i! {8 Q$ m! ~% Q- o' \. uto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered1 V4 v. E/ z0 f0 b1 n
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.$ G3 z% M7 M: U- o4 |
Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation9 Z" V- r& p0 F* j* I2 U9 M
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate  j4 H( N9 g9 Q  D; |2 a+ H
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
6 L2 A( ~: K# othis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits) a5 F3 |7 }$ m% ]$ y. J
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may) a' e) ?( r& t0 q9 m, u
be used.
( J9 O9 \; N# X( `根据class III equipment定义的条款+ e: v; C! O" C
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon0 T* ^4 K* A. t* J, F4 t& r) B
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated! M( n3 m0 p  Q
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
8 m! h, m* i1 r& {8 [# b. V, m我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
% \* m3 y2 O! g. m" n欢迎拍砖
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
) \& Y, R2 @6 I! Q; m( N+ L7 l参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
7 l6 ^5 Q% ^# U* R& P: ]- k. EIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
7 V) \1 _1 X* v, q) oNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and" [) W. e( X3 ~" E6 ^5 h* A& O7 ^
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.3 J6 b3 B  v2 R5 O+ T; H9 }
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and/ I5 @! _6 Z( q
.......
( ^9 L- E( g' M' u$ R# U# d8 x* E
TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
$ B0 D4 h" [6 P0 @/ }- d6 \直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III$ E2 g- Q: i( e. C; H
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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