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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 显示全部楼层
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 显示全部楼层
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
4 X$ f& d  U( m! b2 G& [0 LTNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈  p. [% Y  F! |6 y& K5 e6 h

/ b/ E5 |- m4 z9 q! p: s, _6 J版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
: z' u2 W9 M2 NIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
, C4 _, v. {; j/ @% vNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and3 \  s/ p4 J. v5 L" ?
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values., l" ]( [, _) l$ F! [
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and6 L. D8 R. c) w& c( P) G
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following" S; \) @# a9 B, ^* j9 n" p
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required) X% W  B- D( z" W! s" w
clearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
& ?% ~$ \7 e" [; ]7 ba. peak: 200 V
/ U" Z! L# _% G1 M1 f' Ib. rms: 120 V
2 `7 I7 b7 @. T1 Qc. d.c.: 60 V
( Y5 u1 ?0 a& ~' ]3 ]$ Y3 w% l$ @" {176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
, e% u4 R/ v9 C3 r& a7 v3 q. vIf the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
/ ?9 b4 C; G3 Ywith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for
9 s! J$ T1 B- ]& w/ s: Y' Cequipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.- Z8 i. V8 ?, |( O
The peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the
& [+ h' n, o9 w0 dd.c. value is used for creepage distance.% E# G2 j+ ~. }. L
RATIONALE:. @6 b; G2 F# k) R
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication- [& l8 B. a& B1 ^; p, C( p
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced6 G' ^! r8 V" Y0 M5 {
to earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered
! f, w" v  E5 e+ D. E- B- p& T3 ]the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.; p# |. b# I+ b3 a; c( V- j( _
Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation
9 i6 Z1 ]8 y/ L% Z& ^. Gof a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate$ ^+ q4 k5 `+ P8 ?
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to; U% |8 K0 a% P8 E2 R6 H! F
this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits& t) Z. d2 l+ R6 x# |8 j
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may
9 I& a$ }# n# s; j- N" Cbe used.  \: ?, r7 A! @8 q6 f! H
根据class III equipment定义的条款
5 y7 j7 ?: `4 q. C  D1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon
9 n) D) t' z% W/ L. O, G0 e' ^5 ssupply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated
$ s: r. d9 ~" E9 k/ d) s- F6 FNOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.$ r' c* }7 s' a0 v
我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。! {( y! ?( L/ f  z. b+ K$ M
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发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 显示全部楼层
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :' u$ t6 o. G2 p; \% H; W8 Q6 d
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
( [- N- t7 U7 AIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
- h  o+ Z. T3 jNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and  z/ m9 `, P& v) B' T6 P/ H
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.* C2 |* P! n0 x6 i' j/ Q! w' n; i
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and
+ J/ h# e: m- M( r& P" u.......
# A1 m; a. i* I/ g# ~
TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?  W3 Z, f; ]1 y. P+ k
直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III0 q* I1 \" I/ m
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不用判断属于几类!
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 显示全部楼层
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
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