怎样说服要求CB证书的客户接受CE证书？

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客户是一家外资灯具厂商，在这边有中国的制造基地，产品全球销售，他们的整机产品是经过CB认证的，可能考虑到全球销售必须使用CB报告在各国转换吧以节省成本；我们公司提供灯具上的连接器，客户看了样品后明确说可以用但要我们连接器的CB证书，但目前调查下来很有压力，因为这种连接器的标准IEC61984被授权的NCB和CBTL都在国外，代价很高啊，报价在50000PMB左右，而做公告机构的CE证书成本只要10000RMB左右；因为关于这个连接器产品CB和CE的测试标准是完全的，从产品安全要求声明的角度来说，CB和CE证书是等效的，而且我们作为提供零件直接面对客户，不是直接面对全球市场，没有必须取得CB证书然后各国转化的需求，难道CB要求是从整机包含到零件吗？整机达到CB要求是否零件一定要CB要求呢，用其他的安全认证是否可以，我们和如何同客户谈判？

小鸭的天空

应该是可以接受的,参考以下IEC的决定:

嘻嘻

不接受CB的，因为会增加随机测试费用

xiaojie786

引用第2楼嘻嘻于2009-03-20 08:56发表的  :
& s+ S% b; J; `0 k# F7 ^: J' d; I不接受CB的，因为会增加随机测试费用

你是说不接受CE吗？以下是IECEE CB零部件认可原则部分内容，谁能解释说明一下零部件没有CB报告其他证书是否可以呢？
5.1.2 Component without a CB Test Certificate
. ^. T8 a/ X- y  i! ~  i" \+ c, A' E6 tWhere a component is not provided with its own valid CB Test Certificate for
compliance with a relevant component standard it shall be checked for correct
application and use in accordance with its specified ratings. It shall be subjected to the
applicable tests of the end-product standard, as part of the end product, and to the
0 L$ ~4 Q" D- j" }. Fapplicable tests of the component standard, under the conditions occurring in the end
product. In order to ease the process of acceptance, the applicable tests from
0 D( |+ Z1 ~2 q1 s7 [8 A' @component standard shall be reported in the Test Report for the component and
0 r. }* Z3 g: U+ T+ y, {attached to the end -product CB Test Report. The following acceptance situations shall
be considered:
5.1.2.1. No additional requirements for the component in the end-product standard
5.1.2.1.1. No National Differences declared for component
- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that component test
( D0 A0 T9 A2 M$ T( b6 Jreport to IEC standard is available from the issuing NCB.
7 d1 B* z/ x  {8 y  c& }( e5.1.2.1.2. National Differences declared for component
- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that component test
report to IEC standard is available from the issuing NCB and includes National
Differences, otherwise
- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB when information provided in
the Report fulfills acceptance criteria declared by the receiving NCB in the CAM
database, otherwise
- Component accepted by receiving NCB after additional evaluation addressing
' P- B. H* S5 N! r8 ]3 a( Y( YNational Differences.
5.1.2.2. Additional requirements for component in the end-product standard
5.1.2.2.1. No National Differences declared
- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that component test
. E0 |9 Q* U; Q& v& |! _: preport to IEC standard is available from the issuing NCB.
8 i7 E4 Z+ G/ e. w5.1.2.2.2. National Differences declared for component
5 a  a6 l+ D0 o) e  p- uSame as 5.1.2.1.2.
5.1.2.3. Component provided with a national certificate, which indicates that, the
component was tested to a harmonized standard and it shows limitations and/or
conditions of use.
* s! d- ~5 b& K1 N6 m: L. U+ |8 T- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that any additional
requirements (i.e., National Differences, end-product requirements, applicable tests
! @" ~4 }/ _, R. m3 wof the component standard, under the conditions occurring in the end product) have
2 T. b' v! c: |+ Rbeen addressed in the end-product report.
5.1.2.4. Component tested to the requirement of a non-harmonized standard
( I3 I  I* u/ h* \- Component accepted according to the procedure of OD 2036, when used, or
; A* R6 W2 `0 I/ t. b6 O$ M- Component may be accepted at the discretion of the receiving NCB.
5.1.2.5. Component tested to the component requirements in the end product only
, k& R7 k# m3 v2 U9 I  }(not tested to the applicable component standard)
0 t! c( w, s1 }' n* M- Component accepted after additional evaluation to the applicable component
requirements, where necessary.
% R) J5 U8 s  h5.1.2.6. The receiving NCB does not adhere to IEC component standard.
4 S2 L2 y: t! H# s# d. \& @- See 5.1.1.4.

嘻嘻

5.1.2 Component without a CB Test Certificate
3 ~1 F6 A9 j. C1 m0 d/ QWhere a component is not provided with its own valid CB Test Certificate for
; r* Z- f' U. \. k* mcompliance with a relevant component standard it shall be checked for correct
$ [, p) I' ^, p' @2 p4 b. ~application and use in accordance with its specified ratings. It shall be subjected to the
applicable tests of the end-product standard, as part of the end product, and to the
applicable tests of the component standard, under the conditions occurring in the end
; C9 F7 I0 s4 E4 _; k) m& cproduct. In order to ease the process of acceptance, the applicable tests from
9 h1 A6 R7 N7 zcomponent standard shall be reported in the Test Report for the component and
* j9 ^6 Y1 c, X! Q4 J3 D0 W: ?attached to the end -product CB Test Report. The following acceptance situations shall
! Z8 m: f0 ^: m4 C3 x! fbe considered:------颜色部分的意思是，如果没有相应的CB 测试报告的话，则必须做为终端产品的一部分做相应的测试。对这个零件的测试报告作为终端产品的CB测试报告的附录。
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xiaojie786

引用第4楼嘻嘻于2009-03-20 09:36发表的  :
8 Q! T6 [3 G0 J8 [- r5.1.2 Component without a CB Test Certificate
8 @2 z% V# }0 n; i+ YWhere a component is not provided with its own valid CB Test Certificate for
" M8 W6 e, ]. V6 B; {6 x7 Lcompliance with a relevant component standard it shall be checked for correct
  i" n* p# A; T7 kapplication and use in accordance with its specified ratings. It shall be subjected to the
/ P0 Q0 Q, N# ]' t6 h' lapplicable tests of the end-product standard, as part of the end product, and to the
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是啊，作为整机的一部分，测试是一定要做的，CE测试和CB测试标准及项目相同，所以我想提供CE证书是应该可以认可的吧？

嘻嘻

引用第5楼xiaojie786于2009-03-20 09:59发表的  :

是啊，作为整机的一部分，测试是一定要做的，CE测试和CB测试标准及项目相同，所以我想提供CE证书是应该可以认可的吧？

CE的测试标准是EN标准，CB测试标准是IEC，两者一般来说是没什么大的区别。
1 Z' R6 t" S( C# A6 Q3 R但是有时会有国家偏差。
这在你引用的资料里面也有体现

sinmk

你要用GB测试项目CE测试项目进行标准同的分析来说明给客户,再用一些实验检测来证实.......
必要时可以用一种协议来规定:CE认证来替代GB认证检测的项目得到的认可.

xiaojie786

引用第6楼嘻嘻于2009-03-20 10:02发表的  :
! k& F( T# V5 i5 \; d1 W* }
% }0 K* Z* j% }/ wCE的测试标准是EN标准，CB测试标准是IEC，两者一般来说是没什么大的区别。
- l( v9 O6 ?& k( G% s- Z但是有时会有国家偏差。
3 Y" f! }0 R; \  M这在你引用的资料里面也有体现

恩，明白，但我查了一下这个连接器测试标准IEC61984没有地区或国家差异，这样的话就不用做差异测试就可以说明了吧？

xiaojie786

咨询了一些认证机构和工程师，好像也没有明确的结论，有的说不行，CE的效用不如CB，有的说还要看客户要求，客户认可就可以，谁能有个明确结论以解惑呢，谢谢！