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[信息产品] 请教下PCB中关于电气间隙和爬电距离的要求

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发表于 2009-12-27 11:20 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式
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有个问题一直不明白
1 {# ^3 H' y/ c$ W" B# s. }) W根据标准中对电气间隙和爬电距离的定义,是否多层PCB板内层的走线/铜皮之间,不存在电气间隙和爬电距离的说法?
' A, f7 z% |! t% C4 g4 C4 \因为没有空气。
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& [; ~( Z7 o; t& `# p0 @+ _那么对于多层PCB来说,要设计两个高低压网络之间的电气间隙,同时这两个网络又是在PCB的内层分布的,那么要怎么做?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-30 09:53 | 只看该作者
太感谢了!
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发表于 2009-12-30 09:26 | 只看该作者
Differences between "IEC 60950-1:2001" and "IEC 60950-1:2005"/ d0 S5 Q  h" X9 V" l1 m
? : Level of importance (0=not, 3=very) Page 3 of 20 Document date: 4-Apr-2006
, A1 b5 H# v0 D! T) _Subclause Change ? Comment" n( B4 o* j0 r6 A
Foreword Added 0 Additional parts "22" and "23" mentioned that are planned but not published8 u4 h" s8 P2 R
yet (Mar-2006).
7 `* R" @  V, r3 ?- m3 \1.1.1 Clarified 2 IEC 60950-1 applies as well to components and subassemblies intended for
9 u) r  r/ D! Y/ |5 `6 Mincorporation in ITE.
# G- h) A/ P: s/ l& c0 d4 {% o1.1.3 Modified 1 "Support systems" were deleted from list of excluded examples.
0 v! U" j% ^- ]. g, Q1.2.2.3 New 1 RATED RESTING TIME replaces subclauses 1.2.2.3~5 (CONTINUOUS OPERATION,
1 R, L$ t* A1 _8 ~& P/ zSHORT-TIME OPERATION and INTERMITTENT OPERATION).
1 y0 d  J( ~# M+ D1.2.5.3 New 0 PLUGGABLE EQUIPMENT as definition covering both pluggable equipment types
3 g/ W0 k1 U: R( v' \5 |7 dA and B.  H3 {( X! Z) w$ Q" Q1 I1 {) A
1.2.8.3 New 0 MAINS SUPPLY as definition covering both AC and DC mains supply.
$ c# X* V) o4 B/ l7 F; n; J) _1.2.9.7 New 0 RMS WORKING VOLTAGE introduced as defined term.  k9 ]  Q/ p% J6 m- r! I4 R
1.2.10.4 New 0 SOLID INSULATION introduced as defined term.9 I! k0 ?1 D9 z4 O- g
1.2.13.15 New 0 CHEESECLOTH introduced as defined term.$ {; U; r0 I- z6 d
1.2.13.16 New 0 WRAPPING TISSUE introduced as defined term.2 o- b& B5 m, H+ s4 [4 @3 B4 j
1.2.13.17 New 0 PROTECTIVE CURRENT RATING introduced as defined term which is similar to
% m5 c/ u! @1 I/ E+ A/ M2 O4 jprevious term "current rating of the circuit under test" of subclause 2.6.3.4.
0 g% I2 u( b* F1.3.3 Clarified 1 If the test voltage is not specified in a test item the rated voltage or any value% [6 n( O% Q# q8 W3 @/ c  K+ y
in the rated voltage range shall be used for test.4 Y# t- I, W" U% D; z% w. H% Q
1.4.8 Modified 1 "Note 2" added for additional requirements of USA and Canada for+ J2 _+ r' S% e8 b7 b
overvoltage protection of TNV circuits.; C  j* Z" k7 g3 ^
1.4.14 Clarifi ed 1 Adding to third paragraph: "The failure of functional insulation is only
0 c/ v- s' X* c1 I, g! W5 v$ |3 Msimulated when required by 5.3.4 c)" (risk of fire, risk of electric shock).4 F" e+ t" a. a- e8 S4 R) R
1.5.1 Modified 0 Adding "Note 3" (Switzerland does not allow mercury switches) and deleting
5 ?: t' u+ I/ Y# ~second paragraph and old "Note 3".
6 w/ c7 o8 H2 |' c9 N5 T* L* @3 V: p# A1.5.6 Modified 0 Complete change of subclause by adding information from IEC 60384-14.
8 D* K; t9 A& \) zHowever, application principle of X- and Y-capacitors not changed.9 d8 R$ W7 O2 I+ `
1.5.7 Complete change and concept for bridging resistors. Detailed requirements
3 @" ^* y! x  G0 c% P- _1 cfor:" K0 a/ n! E  d
·  Resistors bridging functional/basic/supplementary insulation (1.5.7.1)
! H  l' j- q- s! m·  Resistors double/reinforced functional insulation (1.5.7.2)+ f$ J5 X+ o9 z
·  Resistors double/reinforced functional insulation – Special7 g0 Y: F" x3 _; Q
requirements when connected to antenna/coaxial cable (1.5.7.3)
: Q8 R+ k7 x" U6 K1.5.7.1 Only subclauses 2.10.3 and 2.10.4 (distances) apply to such resistors.
) k) M0 i4 B; i& c/ L- h9 ~6 e/ z1.5.7.2 Very different concept:9 h& q2 _4 a* e) v1 u6 t. ?* x6 e
·  Single resistor is acceptable if it passes "Resistor test"$ Y6 L$ a+ e3 q+ H+ P; l
·  Group of resistors must either pass "Resistor test" or pass subclauses
5 Q! @4 j. s! i( m2 s5 n$ }2.10.3 and 2.10.4 (distances) with each resistor short-circuited in turn
, K* C' V1 l3 }9 q2 H2 P"Resistor test":% I" |2 E( B4 v; d
Damp heat test of IEC 60068-2-78 plus impulse test and resistance
: Z% ~% o$ G7 B; X, [/ Mmeasurement.- v: I9 k  w1 N3 x$ Q
1.5.7.3
0 ]* @! ^5 [; q: T( IModified 2! a# a+ f  W' A: Z5 G! k' L
Same as 1.5.7.2 above but with different impulse generator for circuits with
0 b: C0 z6 S% r3 n" Ccoaxial cable connection.
  u9 _) D; W: }; y( B6 f. Y9 h  y1.5.9 Requirements for varistors (VDR) specified.
$ ~: D2 ?5 L& f8 F/ p6 I) m! o1.5.9.1 Secondary circuit surge suppressors: any suitable component allowed9 j9 ?; l; @) A% u# ~
Primary circuit surge suppressors: only VDR allowed.4 I, c$ D2 n" P! m; R2 ]
1.5.9.2 An interrupting means must be provided for protection of the VDR in series.) w7 S* W! q! J
1.5.9.3 It is allowed to bridge functional insulation by VDR, no additional
9 k( G6 f( l/ j( q- O1 Z2 i, P' g' L! Frequirements.
1 r) o( `3 h/ @) e1.5.9.4 It is allowed to bridge basic insulation by VDR with additional requirements:
6 o& X1 P1 d7 w( r' o/ E+ I·  one side of the VDR must be earthed
0 @6 P: J! n8 B0 P/ M·  only possible for pluggable equipment type B or permanently5 I; j) L# }, m8 o9 Q1 q1 A3 L( n
connected equipment or equipment with permanently connected" M# |2 T, g# E  ^! Z0 Q! Q: L
earthing conductor
- k, w5 Q: C, O2 _; `·  more restrictions for countries FI, NO, SE0 t/ q& P/ x/ Q, J
1.5.9.5
" b# [' }9 |) sNew 28 {0 A, n7 O- B7 L8 p% P
It is not allowed to bridge supplementary/double/reinforced insulation by0 U  @! e7 C( @0 c: C
VDR.
3 Y% V, H' ~0 C1.6.1 Modified 0 "Note" for Australian national difference was deleted.
4 z  u( x, Q$ W  E! C1.7.1 Clarified 0 Clarification for the use of the Class II symbol.
/ C- X8 a: z  `3 e1.7.2 Modified 0 Re-arranging of content of subclauses 1.7.2, 1.7.10 and 1.7.16.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-29 17:42 | 只看该作者
有没有什么地方有给出60950新旧版本区别点的?
- F9 M$ {$ _* g$ G; Z因为好像目前GB还是按照旧的60950
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发表于 2009-12-29 17:28 | 只看该作者
据说还要考虑走线的~~~~暂时手头还未用新标准考虑这个问题~~~
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发表于 2009-12-29 16:56 | 只看该作者
引用第7楼ajay于2009-12-29 16:42发表的  :
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请问,"对于新版本的60950,PCB要经过相应的认证否则内层的距离要求和表层是一样的" 标准哪个条款有说?$ U4 b$ f0 f3 {6 z; \9 f
IEC60950:2005
/ R( e- @4 w: I9 W5 d2.10.6.3 Insulation between conductors on the same inner surface of a printed board8 t2 ~; V. N- h9 G' P+ ~0 g4 P
.......

# q+ V7 c" Q" m: C3 Y7 L对,标准里我也没发现,是AGENCY 说的,不过现在是有更多的PCB厂家、更多的型号可以满足要求。具体的你可以问AGENCY
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-29 16:52 | 只看该作者
引用第6楼freezk于2009-12-29 15:51发表的  :
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. t; L! K' x* s+ g. g内层走线适用于固体绝缘,对于新版本的60950,PCB要经过相应的认证否则内层的距离要求和表层是一样的;
2 g; v/ C' [9 ?/ C7 M+ K8 p( v内层的固体绝缘除了在一些情况下要求0.4 MM要求外就要参考HI-POT测试电压对应的距离了,这个参数可以像PCB厂家询问,我们公司在收集很多家PCB厂家的参数后再加相应的余量外有个参考数据:水平方向即内层同一层之间是1.5KVRMS/1MM,垂直方向是30KVRMS/1MM

$ V  U5 {  m* n# P8 n1 C- X有点没看明白。。。能否再详细点说说?
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发表于 2009-12-29 16:42 | 只看该作者
引用第6楼freezk于2009-12-29 15:51发表的  :' `# W" f' I5 G- {; d, T

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+ c5 v4 G& V: e+ M# s0 t% X内层走线适用于固体绝缘,对于新版本的60950,PCB要经过相应的认证否则内层的距离要求和表层是一样的;
3 A7 P% H( c8 F) g3 X- Z. n内层的固体绝缘除了在一些情况下要求0.4 MM要求外就要参考HI-POT测试电压对应的距离了,这个参数可以像PCB厂家询问,我们公司在收集很多家PCB厂家的参数后再加相应的余量外有个参考数据:水平方向即内层同一层之间是1.5KVRMS/1MM,垂直方向是30KVRMS/1MM
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请问,"对于新版本的60950,PCB要经过相应的认证否则内层的距离要求和表层是一样的" 标准哪个条款有说?3 f: {2 S, R3 I5 A7 Y/ C
IEC60950:2005
# T: E! s8 j! Y2.10.6.3 Insulation between conductors on the same inner surface of a printed board: C% s$ B0 @9 ~. Z. Q" R3 p
On an inner surface of a multi-layer printed board (see Figure F.16), the path between any
3 [: c% T- |7 Z$ Ctwo conductors shall comply with the requirements for a cemented joint in 2.10.5.5.5 R6 g" {' p* k# [2 [
标准规定的是要符合2.10.5.5 Cemented joints的要求.
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发表于 2009-12-29 15:51 | 只看该作者
引用第0楼deficit于2009-12-27 11:20发表的 请教下PCB中关于电气间隙和爬电距离的要求 :
3 w6 ^+ N  x: G; ^# F9 i3 m2 n3 Q有个问题一直不明白; Y, m* u0 O) y3 S9 ?- L: h$ g& N) ]
根据标准中对电气间隙和爬电距离的定义,是否多层PCB板内层的走线/铜皮之间,不存在电气间隙和爬电距离的说法?
; V3 z2 p3 Q: v1 y9 @3 q. S9 ^因为没有空气。
5 E, J1 E; d2 ^9 G
' w8 d/ M: ?% w! Z: b( ]3 r0 H那么对于多层PCB来说,要设计两个高低压网络之间的电气间隙,同时这两个网络又是在PCB的内层分布的,那么要怎么做?
7 g- M3 N9 |! \7 @  Z! y
内层走线适用于固体绝缘,对于新版本的60950,PCB要经过相应的认证否则内层的距离要求和表层是一样的;" k8 [4 N  ]) S2 N$ Y
内层的固体绝缘除了在一些情况下要求0.4 MM要求外就要参考HI-POT测试电压对应的距离了,这个参数可以像PCB厂家询问,我们公司在收集很多家PCB厂家的参数后再加相应的余量外有个参考数据:水平方向即内层同一层之间是1.5KVRMS/1MM,垂直方向是30KVRMS/1MM
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发表于 2009-12-28 21:40 | 只看该作者
不同产品的标准上都对于PBC上的爬距做了特别的说明,在实际操作过程中,我们一般是认为PCB上两个最相近的焊点间距为爬距!!
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