小胖tommy 发表于 2013-1-11 23:19

EN60335-1:2002认证问题!!

    现在俺手头有个产品要做这个认证,第三方发回一个整改报告,判定俺fuse不应放在varistor后,说是依据啥决议规定varistor也要做故障实验,请问这个是一定要遵守的嘛??

xiaodeng 发表于 2013-1-12 08:45

是的。因为在你短路varistor的时候没有任何的保护,相当于短路L-N,短路电网, 所以在CTL决议里面规定, 必须放在保险丝后面。

yaotongsuo 发表于 2013-1-12 09:19

Decision:

a)Varistors across the mains. Accepted by all countries (when the varistor is separately certified)

b)Varistors across the mains with a protective device to guard against short-circuit.
   Accepted by all countries (whether the varistor is separately certified or not)

liscsupor 发表于 2013-1-12 12:51

yaotongsuo 发表于 2013-1-12 09:19 static/image/common/back.gif
Decision:

a)Varistors across the mains. Accepted by all countries (when the varistor is separ ...

决议编号是多少啊?

moon1939 发表于 2013-1-12 14:21

不需要看决议,看19章节就可以判varistor不可以放在fuse之前,varistor在一般情况下只能作为功能绝缘。

liscsupor 发表于 2013-1-12 14:49

moon1939 发表于 2013-1-12 14:21 static/image/common/back.gif
不需要看决议,看19章节就可以判varistor不可以放在fuse之前,varistor在一般情况下只能作为功能绝缘。

正因为是功能绝缘,需要进行19.11的试验。
安全标准并没有直接确定VDR布置位置,试验证明将VDR放在FUSE后,是符合标准的要求。如果有明确的决议文件,则可起到设计指导的作用。

小胖tommy 发表于 2013-1-12 20:07

liscsupor 发表于 2013-1-12 14:49 static/image/common/back.gif
正因为是功能绝缘,需要进行19.11的试验。
安全标准并没有直接确定VDR布置位置,试验证明将VDR放在FUSE后 ...

那这条是必须强制遵守的吗?还是说我可以打擦边球??

fasten 发表于 2013-1-12 20:49

http://bbs.angui.org/thread-104454-1-1.html
Varistors (VDR’s) across the mains


Question:
Reports from different Testing Laboratories and clients expose essential differences in interpretation and testing practice between laboratories and/or Certification Bodies.
Actually, the practice of one Certification Body is now being a market factor.
Based on above concerns we ask for clarification:
1: Shall Cl. 19.11 be strictly followed or can solutions given under 2. be accepted.
2: Can any of the decisions (made by OSM/EE) be accepted?
- A: VDR’s across the mains are accepted if the VDR is separately certified according to IEC 61051-1 or according to CECC 42200.
- B: VDR across the mains with a protective device to guard against short-circuit is acceptable.
- C: If A and B are acceptable, should, because of the fact that VDR’s may burn or burst during life-time due to an increasing temperature stress caused by increase of leakage current with a number of switching cycles in the VDR, a thermal interrupting device on the VDR connected in series with the VDR be required.
Decision:
1. VDR’s are not short-circuited if they are used within their manufacturer’s declared specification, when tested according to Sub-clause 19.11.2 of IEC60335-1(1991).
2. VDR’s are short-circuited regardless of compliance with IEC61051-1, when tested according to Subclause 19.11.2 of IEC60335-1(2001).

liscsupor 发表于 2013-1-12 21:28

小胖tommy 发表于 2013-1-12 20:07 static/image/common/back.gif
那这条是必须强制遵守的吗?还是说我可以打擦边球??

1、建议设计前应考虑这个问题。
2、如果由于结构等因素无法将VDR放置在FUSE之后,可将VDR两引脚相连的铜铂走线设计很细(即薄弱环节部分)。在VDR短路时,由细的铜铂起FUSE作用;但应注意19.1注2的要求。

liscsupor 发表于 2013-1-12 21:29

fasten 发表于 2013-1-12 20:49 static/image/common/back.gif
http://bbs.angui.org/thread-104454-1-1.html
Varistors (VDR’s) across the mains



谢谢!
决议是DSH-568。
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