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以下是认证公司发过来的关于CSA标准升级引起的ETL升级的大致内容, 我们是直流电机驱动的按摩器产品, 大致看了一下, 基本上没有在标准升级的范围之内, 收费要3万(两份报告, 一个认证号). 是否不用升级?

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- c3 i/ i8 [4 tStandards Update Notification
CSA C22.2 No. 68, 9th Edition with Revisions through and including September 2009
" m3 O( W; ]" p) uPage 3 of 3
Overview and Description of Changes
( V7 |* @, j6 D/ `# z' c, ZImpact Statement: A review of all Listing Reports is necessary to determine which products already
+ u5 d) q0 j! K; \; E+ Tcomply with these new/revised requirements and which products will require reevaluation and test.
Note: Although some products are not affected by these revisions, at minimum, all Listing
Reports will need to be revised to show the correct standard, edition and revisions through date.
NOTE: Effective immediately, this revised standard will be exclusively used for evaluation of new
/ F, v' n6 P& b6 fproducts unless the Applicant requests in writing that current requirements be used along with their
5 |4 X8 h4 i  G8 i. y/ O3 sunderstanding that their listings will be withdrawn on the Effective Date of April 7, 2011 unless product is
! S$ F: v- d  H& M6 Y3 ~found to comply with the new/revised requirements.
Summary of Changes:
# A# x- a# O8 R. y, ^; r3 I1. Section 7.16.4 – Revised to have GFCI’s be marked with the wording “RAINPROOF” or “SUITABLE
FOR WET LOCATIONS”
+ y$ g1 _9 u4 n1 _8 Y4 c$ R% j2. Section 5.20.1 - The requirements for high pressure washers have now been relaxed. This means that
high pressure washers do not have to meet clause 5.20.1 (b) because these products will never produce
; d% o" Q. q% Z% [5 \a flammable spray since the spray will consists of less than 10% of any flammable liquid that may be
8 W  n4 x8 d! Q. o3 J9 L/ d& hadded to the liquid container.
# ]7 E* z9 d- M* B3. Flammability requirements: Replace the obsolete standard C22.2 No. 0.6 with the new standard C22.2
" W7 B( K: `; H& P% |% `& M) T, SNo. 0.17.
4. Replace the obsolete CSA standard C22.2 No. 66 with C22.2 No. 66.1 and 66.2.
5. Incorporated in the new standard the high pressure requirements on the type of cords as per T.I.L. 33.
6. Added in the scope hand held engravers, which in the past were being covered by the tool standard.
7. Changed the term “Pressure –Limiting device” to “Pressure –regulating device” to better understand
the function of the device and at the same time harmonize with UL’s definition. The present term was
misleading since it did not state that it regulates automatically the pressure.
# G3 t9 H% U  W! \( v8. Deleted door operators from this standard. Door operators were transferred to C22.2 No. 247-92 in
) S1 M! N& q6 J( V$ @5 q1992.
9. Pressure regulating devices have to be investigated for 30,000 cycles to ensure that the calibration
# o# B4 I- G- X& Q$ P& v; R& ^9 ?pressure is within 5%. In the past most pressure regulating devices were tested for current only and these
2 w- g, N" O  z& vdevices were never verified if they can pass the pressure requirements.
/ J; L+ ]& j, M  q/ u5 U10. The water test for outdoor equipment are now covered in clause 5.2.15.1 and the applicable standard
is C22.2 No. 94.2, which superseded C22.2 No. 94.
No samples are needed for this SUN. Review Listing report and add marking in item 1 above if needed.
* E5 ?) d4 R4 mVerify compliance with item 5 for the cord used.
Review Evaluation and testing of product to verify that pressure regulating devices have been
investigated to 30,000 cycles. If not additional testing will be required.
Other requirements are relaxed or are replacements for obsolete standards so all products comply.

TZX1976

是的,没办法,  我们已经交钱了

杨柳风

引用第7楼TZX1976于2011-08-09 13:16发表的  :
' O* W8 n7 K! f( X6 XLiu: 据我所知, ETL认证国内就一家能做, 如有其它家请告知, 谢谢!

可能Liu是找第三方实验室做的，但威胁第三方是没用的，事情和他们是没关系的

TZX1976

Liu: 据我所知, ETL认证国内就一家能做, 如有其它家请告知, 谢谢!

Liu

都是与高压力器具有关，很多产品都是改个标准号而已，15000等于在抢钱！
你直接威胁他们的业务，如果Paper Work都收这么贵，所有项目一律转出。遇到这种情况，或者你可以考虑把ETL的报告转换成其他认证公司的报告，有些公司转个报告也就5000块之内，标准跟着也升级了。

TZX1976

杨柳风: 呵呵, 是的, 应该是CSA标准升级, 因为我们做的是ETL & CETL认证, 所以没细想就写上ETL 标准了.
qxq2008: 认证公司说是标准换版. 我跟他理论, 说我们的产品跟标准升级部分没多大关系, 但他说这是他们公司的规定, 不管有没有关系, 都是统一价: 1.5万/一份报告. 他补充说有些客户的产品和标准升级关系大, 他们测试的工作量大, 也是这个价, 我抗议说这不公平, 应该按具体测试工作量来区别收费. 他又重申这是他们公司的统一规定, 还说下次说不定标准升级就是我们的产品测试工作量大了.
$ ~7 G: B8 ]+ `: A1 r8 a  K) E千里无痕: 呵呵, 是我的错, 希望不再让你糊涂

qxq2008

ETL 没有标准！他沿用的是UL的标准或是其他国际标准

千里无痕

楼主把我个菜鸟搞糊涂了。还真没有听说有ETL标谁。

qxq2008

标准变了，证书号在有效期内的话，只需要update就好，依然要申请，但是这个应该不是全新申请，故只需要两份报告+新的证书号。不晓得这个机构收费做一个全新的申请收费为多少，如果仅仅是出个报告和证书号，个人感觉这个机构收费堪比UL了。你的这个情况跟我们的一个产品有点类似，标准换版了，我们的工程师没来及的跟进，导致证书号从暂停转到撤销。我们的产品恰好不在标准更改项内，故属于Update, 只需要交个报告费和其他若干，比全新的省时省钱。以上仅我司情况供参考！如果你们的证书号还在有效期内，就尽快跟进！

杨柳风

标题不对,应该是CSA标准升级