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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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21#
发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 只看该作者
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
22#
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 只看该作者
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :
9 _8 g1 b  G5 e5 K- |+ @TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
23#
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 只看该作者
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
24#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 只看该作者
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈
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6 f& G2 b. a( Z7 X+ L7 R' l版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
25#
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 只看该作者
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
. S$ {& C: l4 zIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication' X6 a7 \* W6 H: d" U
Network, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
$ U% ?. [5 j- `" O; Y6 i6 ~4 e$ fAnnex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
) j7 q4 I% W  s; {8 mIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and1 x9 T; I  O5 K1 z. p$ _/ k
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following. M% c  }+ ~1 a. B; s
maximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required
" D( e: |+ j( dclearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
/ U; J3 V% Z! A  }8 ua. peak: 200 V- T/ {2 B- l  K
b. rms: 120 V
8 I- S( \2 Z5 Ic. d.c.: 60 V
! c% Q! [( D& F6 d! e' w% Q, U* `3 h176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 2008
% I$ [; n* }, B  ^* mIf the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult
/ o5 v! ?) r9 Q' e: rwith IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for5 s) F, _1 V5 r1 D
equipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
+ D. m7 y1 ?7 R' Y1 a' B1 }7 i9 f$ pThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the
3 H$ w3 ]- `. y0 G$ @- f+ Od.c. value is used for creepage distance.
# \4 ?/ M  X6 P; z5 p, [: W/ _RATIONALE:" V  E  f7 i0 W& Z) g2 V
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication4 \) Y# J2 |! F6 x* I
Signals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
8 `+ M/ n5 R, _  i3 @# b' Oto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered! {" o+ r$ X6 M. T. W. N
the maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.
  e, g$ Q- n7 h) Z# jAlthough Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation( x( z- i3 }9 x
of a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate
0 y. C) d$ `; ~3 |. Qexternally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to
/ O, w- t0 n2 O' Mthis Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits: V3 b1 W( h4 q
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may
8 {8 p% d( ]# v# |be used.
2 a% L! D2 e. L  E+ T( M% r2 h8 V根据class III equipment定义的条款
5 k; Y3 L/ P% f9 B5 f* d) L+ @1 C1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon3 e& y5 e, c" `. R+ w+ r
supply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated( n9 N5 t) W- [  `
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
: j( R7 }) y# S我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
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26#
发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 只看该作者
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :
) M$ D3 |+ z. f# B参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
) k  K' g1 h0 b1 g% cIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
  D3 |: \5 |& W' Y, O% LNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and+ ~( h' E! S( M) _; @  P+ }
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
. f5 f6 d8 h7 j! r- XIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and2 w9 J4 T# R- K  _& b0 `  ?# ^
.......
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TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?
  l( b8 U0 k) c% Y直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III: z5 f. W5 ]% R6 r. @
标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
27#
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 只看该作者
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
28#
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 只看该作者
不用判断属于几类!
29#
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 只看该作者
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
30#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 只看该作者
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