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[音视频产品] 悄悄地问一下:电话机属于几类设备?

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21#
发表于 2011-5-12 12:06 | 只看该作者
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TNV 1才是属于SELV
22#
发表于 2011-5-12 12:52 | 只看该作者
引用第20楼xuming0120于2011-05-12 12:06发表的  :4 R0 n* f" D2 j
TNV 1才是属于SELV
这位同学,纠正一下,TNV1不一定是SELV,好好的看一下950里面的Table 1A.
23#
发表于 2011-5-12 13:23 | 只看该作者
TNV-1不是SELV,只是正常情况下的电压不会超过SELV的限值
24#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-12 15:56 | 只看该作者
看来这个问题无解啊,不过大家倾向分为三类设备,我也有底气跟领导理论了,  哈哈. N& f5 b) }$ P6 w0 H% z

3 u, W1 _& R, O0 o9 J/ T版主啊  看在我提出了这样一个好问题的份上    强烈建议给威望!!!
25#
发表于 2011-5-17 22:24 | 只看该作者
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
* o- Y9 Q8 @2 r7 u7 d4 cIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
1 [7 e4 }7 [( HNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and5 x4 k7 y6 V; s, L- \: Z5 N+ f- n( t
Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.
* u7 e  F% Z! h* i' c3 RIf the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and( K. {% Z9 i+ m3 ~! s5 `, ?& s& Q
receives incoming analog telecommunication signals (e.g., from a Central Office), the following
" N9 I4 S6 s: _; M0 H' f7 Amaximum working voltages (TNV-3) should be assumed for purposes of determining required
; s1 w/ s( C) Q4 H: bclearances, creepage distances and electric strength test values:
% ~( K* \+ u, H! Ua. peak: 200 V' m( R; g/ \" s7 G9 k0 _/ B
b. rms: 120 V
+ X6 C& I1 \  @' g+ Jc. d.c.: 60 V# ^1 j2 {) U# s' T" ^
176 PAG 60950-1 JULY 15, 20086 D8 S! t$ p9 G0 D
If the equipment is intended for connection to a European Telecommunication Network, consult0 p: @( b3 H* n8 I. T& s7 _
with IEC TR 62102, Technical Report on Electrical Safety Classification of interfaces for
: f- o( W2 l: @  Vequipment to be connected to information and communications technology networks.
8 Z0 Q2 [) m6 nThe peak and rms values are used for clearance and electric strength determinations, and the
* ~1 ?: O, S! M" F9 `. T; ed.c. value is used for creepage distance.
/ n0 [. i. v3 XRATIONALE:+ l% X9 x" D4 g
Annex M (normative) describes maximum voltage levels associated with Telecommunication
0 Q$ N  A8 v$ I( [+ A% qSignals that comply with FCC Part 68. The maximum peak value specified is 200 V referenced
/ A2 t( T8 U) M) Rto earth. Since working voltages typically are measured to earth, this value should be considered
* z7 f" z  i7 |. `1 B4 A% tthe maximum peak value in the U.S. and Canada.5 H$ U( e7 F1 {" {9 D7 x- F% g
Although Annex M does not contain a corresponding rms value, 120 V rms is an approximation
1 p; y& B' i) `# Iof a composite 56.5 V dc and 300 Vp-p signal. Sub-clause 2.3.5 uses 120 V rms to simulate7 r0 O" u  e7 v" D$ D- o) V
externally generated operating voltages. Therefore this value should be used for investigation to$ Q' Q- N8 V$ Z9 a
this Standard. Also, sub-clause 2.10.4 indicates that cadenced ringing signals in TNV circuits9 p% D/ T2 p, ?3 L$ h
shall not be taken into account for determining creepage distances, thus a 60 Vd.c. value may, Z" D9 V0 |6 ]& L7 b  C% X7 w
be used.6 D! B* t9 C4 B4 m8 s1 x
根据class III equipment定义的条款! g: l$ O+ t  a& {
1.2.4.3 CLASS III EQUIPMENT: equipment in which protection against electric shock relies upon
) L$ L8 q9 w, |5 Xsupply from SELV CIRCUITS and in which HAZARDOUS VOLTAGES are not generated/ P( C, x# |$ x: L
NOTE For CLASS III EQUIPMENT, although there is no requirement for protection against electric shock, all other requirements of the standard apply.
1 P, S, y+ z, G8 v- @' w% ~1 ?我认为应属TNV-3的设备也应属CLASS III,因为其只是接受来自上游的Ring singal,不是自己内部产生。
$ d! e& ~+ B# y$ n欢迎拍砖" R/ ^* d  `5 I/ k
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26#
发表于 2011-5-17 22:51 | 只看该作者
引用第24楼包子于2011-05-17 22:24发表的  :+ _7 o! b) l7 v# G' J1 e: s1 I) O
参考PAG clause 2.10.2-3 Working voltages in TNV circuits
6 B. k' |8 D3 d6 f  b8 Q! NIf the equipment generates a ringing signal and the circuit connects to a Telecommunication
) |. k& O5 Y& W8 ]$ u! j* FNetwork, the working voltage should be measured in accordance with sub-clause 2.10.4 and
& b+ L9 G* G& A; i2 Y# [Annex M.3.1 to determine maximum peak, rms and/or dc values.) k, d* n# H) S! h5 A9 D
If the equipment is intended for connection to a U.S./Canadian Telecommunication Network and1 F# ?: q* D; p% O
.......
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TNV-3是正常工作的电压超过了SELV,怎么可能是SELV供电呢?6 [; S. B; O9 G5 p1 t+ Z$ q
直接接电话线的电话机应该是不分类的,不是class I, 不是class II, 也不是class III
3 ~# C$ E; k% f3 I0 b- e$ Z标准也没有说IT产品一定要属于其中一种吧?
27#
发表于 2011-5-19 13:55 | 只看该作者
没有带ADAPTER的电话机,如果使用TNV-3端口,可以不分类。也就是说不属于CLASS I, II 和 III的任意一种。带了ADAPTER供电就跟适配器来分类。
28#
发表于 2011-6-9 16:35 | 只看该作者
不用判断属于几类!
29#
发表于 2011-6-9 17:03 | 只看该作者
我认为 电话机定义为三类产品最合适.没见过电话机打回字标签的.现在有好多产品都很难定义为哪一类产品,比如照相机,电池供电,虽然照相机是低电压供电,但是在使用闪光灯的时候,聚集的电压会很大远远超过安全电压.
30#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-11 11:25 | 只看该作者
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