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作者: 飞鱼船    时间: 2012-3-12 15:07
标题: ERP判别
[attach]70814[/attach]第一款
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" m! H5 y0 v/ a, _; j. p[attach]70811[/attach]第三款; M. o" B) f, A# s
按第二阶段（1275）ERP要求这三款产品待机能耗该如何判断，请指教。" Y8 e, e6 U$ ?  `1 j
另Power consumption in "off mode"   
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Power consumption in "standby mode(s)"如何理解，本人英文并不很好对标准里的解析不太理解，请懂的作个详细解析，谢谢！！3 ?( W+ w5 C) ^0 ?! O$ I5 i: P0 d  K5 g
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作者: jsspace    时间: 2012-3-12 15:13
Power consumption in "off mode"   
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6 }8 a0 x1 w( R8 w5 `Power consumption in "standby mode(s)"
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) R9 [) Z. c, O. ~8 X) K$ @& \- ?+ i' z根据你这个产品的图示，产品是有待机指示的，所以待机功率小于1W即可+ _5 _7 J) Z: Q$ V% Q
作者: lzqjtbhj    时间: 2012-3-12 15:21
我对这两个词的印象：关电视机，用电视机上的开关断电是off mode，仅用遥控器关掉是standby mode，当然两者都是在插头插上的情况下
作者: hehailong    时间: 2012-3-12 15:29
jsspace 发表于 2012-3-12 15:13 $ X7 [" \7 x7 O( I' l$ {
Power consumption in "off mode"   / C% ^1 d# K3 f: N
关机时候的产品功耗
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ERP stage 2的要求是standby mode :有显示屏小于1W，无显示屏小于0.5W，按楼主给的产品图示应当是无显示屏的，应当要小于0.5W。
作者: 小米    时间: 2012-3-12 16:08
lzqjtbhj 发表于 2012-3-12 15:21
" d7 G3 q/ b8 d0 \4 s1 X我对这两个词的印象：关电视机，用电视机上的开关断电是off mode，仅用遥控器关掉是standby mode，当然两者 ...
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嗯嗯，我也是这样理解的
作者: jsspace    时间: 2012-3-12 16:31
hehailong 发表于 2012-3-12 15:29 : \' G' I& g5 u( @7 o
ERP stage 2的要求是standby mode :有显示屏小于1W，无显示屏小于0.5W，按楼主给的产品图示应当是无显示屏 ...
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标准上说的是有指示，没说一定要显示屏指示，LED灯也是指示。
作者: hehailong    时间: 2012-3-12 17:23
jsspace 发表于 2012-3-12 16:31 $ i1 z7 Y: ]: v; }6 Z
标准上说的是有指示，没说一定要显示屏指示，LED灯也是指示。
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Standby — display: simple displays and low power LEDs 0,1 W, larger displays (e.g. for clocks) require more power.1 T2 {) h3 ^; q& w9 @# z) p
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上面这句话是COMMISSION REGULATION (EC) No 1275/2008的最后的注解，我认为楼主这种产品应该是简单的显示，所以按要求应当是小于0.5W。我们公司的产品在standby 模式下也有LED显示，但是还是被实验室要求按小于0.5w做stage 2.# h0 u, c0 e# f
个人意见，如过我对标准理解不对，还请告知。
作者: liscsupor    时间: 2012-3-12 17:58
第一款：从图片按钮来看，初步判定应属于硬件开关，并且开关内部带有一个电源指示类。即不可能存在待机状态。' M+ Y5 m/ d6 d" ^
第二款：从图片按钮来看，已经明确告知“待机”信息（有待机标志），即确定有待机状态。
& z8 H( ?, ^/ S8 n第三款：看不出什么含意。
作者: 贺小梅    时间: 2012-3-12 18:01
hehailong 发表于 2012-3-12 17:23 7 I3 P2 y0 _" r
Standby — display: simple displays and low power LEDs 0,1 W, larger displays (e.g. for clocks) re ...

" h* W% Y: d5 p7 _" {' s* D并非指的是显示屏，而是具有信息或者状态的显示。比如我产品处于待机模式，产品有个LED模块显示出OFF的信息出来。
作者: Leohuang    时间: 2012-3-13 08:23
领教了。
作者: fengjunping    时间: 2012-3-13 08:39
贊同三樓的說法！
作者: 清水白菜    时间: 2012-3-13 09:59
本帖最后由 清水白菜 于 2012-3-13 10:09 编辑 + w% p) L! o2 p2 g& I7 {

" X) X  B2 P0 A$ A4 {4 Y0 q‘standby mode(s)’ means a condition where the equipment is connected to the mains power source, depends on energy input from the mains power source to work as intended and provides only the following functions, which may persist for an indefinite time:$ K! G9 @* f8 J2 A1 M3 Z. p- f& ^
— reactivation function, or reactivation function and only an indication of enabled reactivation function, and/or
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‘reactivation function’ means a function facilitating the activation of other modes, including active mode, by remote switch, including remote control, internal sensor, timer to a condition providing additional functions, including the main function;3 e2 a$ T( {  n* z- T( U3 r
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‘information or status display’ means a continuous function providing information or indicating the status of the equipment on a display, including clocks;
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The power consumption of equipment in any condition providing only a reactivation function, or providing reactivation function and a mere indication of enabled reactivation function, shall not exceed 0,50 W.! V# w6 y7 t3 N5 ^% |
The power consumption of equipment in any condition providing only information or status display, or providing only a combination of reactivation function and information or status display shall not exceed 1,00 W.+ [9 S) [/ @+ w0 O# D

8 ]8 F8 l3 s  ]; ~* R個人認為由上可判定為0.5W# y, L2 m8 S3 S$ R  p
作者: davidfu    时间: 2012-3-13 11:18
领教，至于是否有显示，指什么，觉得还得研究
作者: hehailong    时间: 2012-3-13 12:09
hehailong 发表于 2012-3-12 15:29 ! z9 M9 n: V; L2 u
ERP stage 2的要求是standby mode :有显示屏小于1W，无显示屏小于0.5W，按楼主给的产品图示应当是无显示屏 ...
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我觉得如果是有高温的警示单词，就属于有显示消息的指示了，这个就是小于1W的。但是LZ的应该不能算是有显示消息的。
作者: 往事如烟    时间: 2012-3-13 12:36
hehailong 发表于 2012-3-12 17:23
3 y; [, M9 r$ m' jStandby — display: simple displays and low power LEDs 0,1 W, larger displays (e.g. for clocks) re ...
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LZ机器有LED,但在待机模式下,应该没有明显的显示警示,当然只能按照0.5W来限制了.标准本身没有错.
作者: 清水白菜    时间: 2012-3-13 13:45
為什么我在12樓的回復會有廣告連接？？？
作者: hehailong    时间: 2012-3-13 14:11
11-13楼都有呢。
作者: 清水白菜    时间: 2012-3-13 14:25
本帖最后由 清水白菜 于 2012-3-13 14:29 编辑 % h0 N. w' s: _8 R
往事如烟 发表于 2012-3-13 12:36
: G* p0 F; R9 t9 q: KLZ机器有LED,但在待机模式下,应该没有明显的显示警示,当然只能按照0.5W来限制了.标准本身没有错.

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8 Q! s7 y, U) q: ~# PThe following benchmarks are identified for the purpose of Annex I, Part 3, point 2, to Directive 2005/32/EC:
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如下為E2005//32/EC ANNEX 1 PART3 POINT 2：
6 w- v( j" S8 S2. - Manufacturers will make use of this assessment to evaluate alternative design solutions and the achieved environmental performance of the product against benchmarks.
' P  \5 a  ^- b! S    - The benchmarks will be identified by the Commission in the implementing measure on the basis of information athered during the preparation of the measure.6 u$ k$ w% \1 I3 G
    - The choice of a specific design solution will achieve a reasonable balance between the various environmental aspects and between environmental aspects and other relevant considerations, such as safety and health, technical requirements for functionality, quality, and performance, and economic aspects, including manufacturing costs and marketability, while complying with all relevant legislation.
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綜上所述，及根據ERP指令精神個人認為如下為0.5W來判定。5 Y0 Y  a  Q, P& J: R3 ^7 ~3 G, o# l! K6 s
Standby — reactivation function: 0,1 W；
/ Y8 L5 k0 S' s$ f! E) P9 ^2 dStandby — display: simple displays and low power LEDs 0,1 W；
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Standby — display: larger displays (e.g. for clocks) require more power.* }4 O- [5 h# Y' `7 ]% A

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作者: benny_wei88    时间: 2012-3-29 10:37
understanding .
作者: aaainmaya    时间: 2012-3-30 16:35
IM 1275：5 w# c  i' h& M6 @! A

; v8 a+ q, i  `' A2 `" r& r‘standby mode(s)’ means a condition where the equipment is% e0 {- x( Q3 ^* @7 F! b
connected to the mains power source, depends on energy5 O- I1 \* M5 y+ p$ p( x  b% `1 z
input from the mains power source to work as intended and; _- x3 H9 w) f3 |1 S( L8 s
provides only the following functions, which may persist for
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L 339/46 EN Official Journal of the European Union 18.12.2008
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— information or status display;
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‘off mode’ means a condition in which the equipment is3 u2 Z$ N+ [( j, W$ I
connected to the mains power source and is not providing
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mode:
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(b) conditions providing only functionalities intended to
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Directive 2004/108/EC of the European Parliament and
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作者: xiaoxiaoyu    时间: 2012-5-15 19:52
都是高手啊
作者: jedy2009    时间: 2012-11-7 08:32
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