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作者: wx035    时间: 2011-1-25 15:02
标题: UL认证问题-请进
[attach]63225[/attach] [attach]63226[/attach]  各位大侠,请指教。如附件图片所示的结构,其是否被视为发热件外壳。如被视为发热件外壳,其防火等级要求如何,在不更改现有塑胶件的情况下,有何改进措施?该产品欲做UL认证。
作者: 394846972    时间: 2011-1-25 15:30
外壳等级为V-1以上
作者: aiduoxi    时间: 2011-1-25 15:38
LZ的图片看起来盖顶有层铜铂,这样的话燃烧应该是V-0级的
作者: 山炮    时间: 2011-1-25 20:19
温控和热保护应分开放在不同极上,UL不用接地的吗?内部布线也没有适当的固定,还真的担心故障试验时漏水。(不太懂UL,随便说说)
作者: apple2010    时间: 2011-1-25 22:00
做UL如果是不熟悉标准的,会做得比较痛苦,若订单很赶建议好好想一想要怎样做
作者: Liu    时间: 2011-1-25 23:49
UL标准的塑胶外壳防火等级不能简单地去说用什么材料,电器产品的塑胶料往往都会参考到UL746C这个标准,希望大家能够去看,同时与产品标准是最息息相关的。 , l. p; F& G& w- z4 g

2 h6 J8 {# I  E  O& q这个产品看起来是一个锅类器具,估计具体应该参考UL1083。
9 B# ]: q5 Z; k4 n, B% J如果适用标准是UL1083,大家可以看看一下条款,估计看完后应该知道该怎样选择了:
; J& [: i6 E' Q* k7 O6 s7.4 Among the factors that shall be taken into consideration when an enclosure is being judged for acceptability are its:
; P6 H7 m9 s! X* X2 _5 X" \* _a) Physical strength; 1 Q  C) y, C! c! E. a
b) Resistance to impact; " \  W" I# B4 H  R* G
c) Moisture-absorptive properties; " y* I$ ]6 b$ R
d) Combustibility;
  u  g+ J& Q# o/ k/ }e) Resistance to corrosion; and " ^$ x: g  ^* N8 R' F" R" C
f) Resistance to distortion at temperatures to which the enclosure may be subjected under conditions of normal or abnormal use.
6 q( v* p% Z7 o# \For a nonmetallic enclosure, see the enclosure requirements in the Standard for Polymeric Materials –Use in Electrical Equipment Evaluations, UL 746C. A metal enclosure or enclosure part shall be tested in accordance wiith the Metal Enclosure Impact Test, Section 36, for resistance to impact. 6 g0 [& {% M# U2 v0 U
Exception No. 1: When considering the abnormal and severe conditions tests of UL 746C, the appliance enclosure is to be judged under the abnormal operations tests of Abnormal Operation Test, Section 46.
% a6 K, z: B' g5 |* U" F/ rException No. 2: Thermoset materials need not be subjected to the relative thermal capability requirements of UL 746C. For a thermoset material operating at a temperature above its temperature rating, the 1000 hour aging test as specified in 43.1 shall be conducted.   `0 \% s  Z2 ?# `. T# ]
7.5 A thermoplastic enclosure of an appliance provided with overheating protection (Overheating Protection, Section 22) need not comply with the flammability requirements of UL 746C if a material rated HB, and possessing 60 arcs minimum resistance to high current arc ignition, and 7 second minimum resistance to hot wire ignition is employed and all enclosure parts including ribs, grills, and the like are spaced a minimum 1/2 inch (12.7 mm) from uninsulated live parts. 2 v: ~9 r, U) K1 V

( \7 }. }, \% `6 T如果标准不是UL1083,那估计是UL1026,但是具体要求,其实也是一样的上面这段话。大家看到其实HB的料也可以使用,关键是后面带了个尾巴,这个尾巴很关键,留下话题,大家讨论尾巴,其实这个尾巴就是安规工程师是否真正入行的表现
作者: tianchi0305    时间: 2011-1-29 07:31
也要看具体的吧
作者: 一地落叶    时间: 2011-1-29 08:12
建议买个电饭锅来参考一下,你那塑料件上面没有散热孔,我估计那样温升会很快,会导致通不过,还有塑料必须是VO级的了,虽然我没做过类似产品,但我们线盘,插座上面对这要求是非常严格的,UL认证产品的附材应该要有UL证书,我想那个塑料要有UL黄卡的
作者: gaoyimin123    时间: 2011-1-29 08:38
这是个什么产品?用UL什么标准?先提供支撑带电体的材料要求,外壳的要求是对应标准内有说明,挺多的外壳用HB也是可以的,但是要附加很多的测试,生产商为了省去测试,一般不用HB的材料.
作者: gaoyimin123    时间: 2011-1-29 08:41
Suitability for thermoplastic materials to be in direct support of live parts, below are the suitable properties for each flammability, Per UL 746C, Table 8.1
: |) I, I$ E# @可以用来直接支撑带电体的塑料其HAI/HWI/CTI的指数需符合下表。& Y, A) @0 @1 e2 f/ W6 e
    V-0    V-1    V-2    HB& r8 x) y5 E) R
HAI    3    2    2    1
- s& f7 k: Z' a/ i$ YHWI    4    3    2    2( K: n8 H; a; h6 W- R6 ~
CTI    4    4    4    4$ J( {0 I% |% y& A
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Suitability for thermoplastic materials to be in direct support of live parts, below are the suitable properties for each flammability, Per UL 746C, Table 8.1. _# e( x" Q  w# I% E" N: N; g
可以用来直接支撑带电体的塑料料其HAI/HWI/CTI的指数需符合下表。
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    V-0    V-1    V-2    HB
" {+ P" S( R% [9 I# y: x/ z5 THAI    3    2    2    1
; w2 }1 A- x% U. R. \. j/ DHWI    4    3    2    2
) S4 ?" Q+ J+ A4 p, e0 N9 lCTI    4    4    4    4. O0 x) u5 Q' |) b+ [. N! V1 c2 ]
数字越小,代表HAI/HWI/CTI的性质越好。
/ O1 ?/ K  D0 ?4 s6 D: u例如:奇美PA-766 UL黄卡摘录/ e7 ^& V$ `1 n( m
                                    H    D    * X( f6 _) z# F/ e
        Min.        H    H    R T I    V    4    C
, K& e- b, D4 i& ^; v        Thk    Flame    W    A    Elec    Mech    T    9    T
, J( ?) o. K2 C8 ^+ X4 I& L& qMaterial Dsg    Color    mm    Class    I    I        Imp    Str    R    5    I% ]3 V' G; L1 z- c( }- V" M* J
PA-766    ALL    1.5    V-0    1    0    60    60    60    0    7    2
5 l  g0 z) b& f- N0 Y; m4 t! X        2.5    5VA    -    -    60    60    60            
1 x) v1 l# A5 A2 k( ]        3.0    5VA    0    0    60    60    60            9 Y1 R8 l9 o1 y9 j. _
在最小厚度大于1.5mm时,其耐燃等级是UL 94V-0, HWI=1、HAI=0、CTI=2,因此看回上表HWI<4、HAI<3、CTI<4,符合上表,所以PA-766在最小厚度大于1.5mm时可以直接支撑带电体。
& @9 K# n+ b# j7 G但若黄卡中HAI、HWI值为 “-“,则代表厂商申请此料时未做相关测试,所以是不能认可为可直接接触带电体的。7 a' X+ q1 b4 C% ^# _& G
Hot-Wire Ignition (HWI; ASTM D3874, IEC 60695-2-20 ) — Performance is expressed as the mean number of seconds needed to either ignite standard specimens or to burn through the specimens without ignition.
4 c5 X) T; v/ p, d8 ^/ g$ iHWI Range
) l7 Q, S" i8 w; Q% o& nMean Ignition Time (in sec)    Assigned
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4 D; D; L. c; J2 J+ I4 ~. T120 and longer    0) J1 z3 S7 T  [" h- w
60 through 119    1% Z* I8 l# a4 t
30 through 59    27 D7 s/ e/ U) y9 H: r6 [
15 through 29    3
4 s- H; \( B) f4 j# r. t4 s7 through 14    4
0 _% N! a' w3 J- T0 e. u; tLess than 7    5# e" m0 `% R, N
High Current Arc Ignition (HAI; ANSI/UL 746A ) — Performance is expressed as the number of arc rupture exposures (standardized as to electrode type and shape and electric circuit) that are necessary to ignite a material when they are applied at a standard rate on the surface of the material.3 v! S& i* O' r
HAI Range ) {: X* a0 E# a, s  F$ @) @2 m
Mean Number of Arcs
" |- Z+ S" |( Y8 \4 ]6 ^- P/ dto Cause Ignition    Assigned 4 a% s, o3 t( }
PLC1 ^: z! S7 _2 I8 b( t1 s0 f# X, S
120 and greater    0$ [1 m) Y3 V0 `0 N+ n) ?, ?5 {+ e
60 through 119    1
" s) p/ ~' U% O+ t0 g2 ~$ D  X) X$ b30 through 59    2
- |# @) v! K% G/ o15 through 29    3& R# U: B, \! g/ U& ]. T' q
Less than 15    45 i7 t* I+ f/ Y. z0 a
Comparative Tracking Index (CTI; ASTM D3638 ) — Expressed as that voltage which causes tracking after 50 drops of 0.1 percent ammonium chloride solution have fallen on the material. The results of testing the nominal 3 mm thickness are considered representative of the material's performance in any thickness.
" M; m2 J4 g4 j: R6 a' V: zCTI Range1 b0 q+ u" }5 _3 d
Tracking Index2 x/ X+ X" R/ m- E8 {; S
(in volts)    1 F1 Q6 {( b: u) q7 E& R
Assigned0 ^8 Y" I! W3 M, `
PLC" A5 i% K/ u7 E0 I  P* Z
600 and greater    0
$ ]/ u1 V4 `5 U& d' W# ^0 q: S0 e( ^. t400 through 599    1" P. v3 F8 G& ]) j( w' v5 T( q3 d
250 through 399    2
) V# Z9 j9 l( R% l& j; l: f175 through 249    3
  N1 W5 b# c) P. S9 s100 through 174    43 g2 \4 ]. b, p8 L- z
Less than 100    5: A( m* X6 i$ G% |" P
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黄卡的说明COLUMN HEADING ABBREVIATIONS/ E5 T7 L' Z; v0 i
The following abbreviations may be used in the column headings in the individual Recognitions:6 j7 }8 B5 j4 k$ |) n! U( J
Abbreviation    Term/ t  ~/ o; T5 K- A5 D
Flame Class    ANSI/UL 94 Flammability Classification. B& R1 M. h' ?+ `" ?3 R9 R
Material Dsg    Material Designation
9 i5 T3 K5 E$ ]Col    Color# f" m# a- T( p4 q( F& u7 H: S1 \
Min Thk    Minimum Thickness
  J/ U" @% a4 \, C1 g8 W. k7 ~0 nThk Rg    Thickness Range# n; i) S  E, C- `, g7 N. c* |
Den Range g/cc    Density Range, g/cc2 n) o: c" _! j
Elec    Electrical
( E0 X$ T  |  D+ SRP    Radiant Panel$ J" b6 Z3 c  e- h; Q
RTI    Relative Temperature Index7 ^0 V& w0 i4 J6 p) p3 T( s8 o0 }1 W
HWI    Hot-Wire Ignition
3 D4 C' v/ Q# w) {HAI    High Current Arc Ignition
  K1 E9 _3 w7 \6 UHVTR    High Voltage Arc Tracking Rate
2 e' z6 D- w4 m4 z5 ED495    Arc Resistance  j6 l# t0 N* V) ?0 z1 j
CTI    Comparative Tracking Index
4 z; t7 _6 |2 B0 J# n. a8 BMech    Mechanical
: T6 J$ F8 x8 X7 L2 b% eTnsl    Tensile' J! O2 s3 k  A
Elong    Elongation4 t8 h" d( G; ]: J- x
Str    Strength& m5 G* t* H) T0 j7 \2 ]
Imp    Impact
作者: adazhu    时间: 2011-1-29 11:55
该产品,不是煮蛋器就是温奶器,使用标准为UL1026.
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/ j, d# a0 ^! \1. 该产品塑料外壳材料的最低燃烧等级为V-2
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2. 根据UL1026 7.6节该产品塑料外壳材料可以选择燃烧等级为HB的塑料材料,但是必须要满足以下两种条件中的一个:# S2 _  m" j; P( `" h2 h& V& T
(1) 产品中有过热保护,HAI小于或等于1, HWI小于或等于4,带电部件到塑料外壳(包括外壳内的加强筋或其它部分)至少有12.7mm的距离。或) W# i  g+ o! J5 Z
(2) 该材料符合UL746C中19mm的燃烧测试(3/4 inch Flame Test)




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