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作者: gordon    时间: 2010-6-28 13:08
标题: 美式三插
美式三插用的是UL那个标准。一般来说:当认证的时候是做了小尺寸的插头,如果改成大尺寸的插头,要不要去报备的。现在我的供应商是这样的情况。认证的时候是小的。现在我要求用绝缘厚度大点的尺寸,但插头的认证号还是用会原来的那个号。这样会不会有问题呢?请知道的兄弟告诉下。
作者: zy3618    时间: 2010-6-28 13:13
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要去报备
作者: kevin7611    时间: 2010-6-28 13:16
当然有问题了,第一次认证的时候UL应该向你们要一份产品的图纸,并且会附在UL文本中,最好去UL备案下,免得出问题。
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2010-6-28 13:25
Yes, UL817 will be applied and the revision needs to be reevaluated by the UL engineer, if not, the VN will be issued and then your factory will be fined for this damn VN....
作者: gordon    时间: 2010-6-28 13:31
如果我的供应商自己担保没问题呢。我们是整机的。如果整机出口到北美了。会不会人家查这些电源线配件的。
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2010-6-28 13:42
引用第4楼gordon于2010-06-28 13:31发表的  :. G5 _5 f! c/ p! y7 \1 ]
如果我的供应商自己担保没问题呢。我们是整机的。如果整机出口到北美了。会不会人家查这些电源线配件的。
Hi, guy, don't do as your will, pls follow the rules, cause:4 S: v8 |2 w& l8 E! u8 V& {
1. FUS inspection will occur in your factory firstly;! F6 V: L/ j. `3 Q6 K9 P7 F. p
2. Then for power supply cables, there will be market survey in the US market every year, then at that time, you will be trapped by what you do now....
作者: DFQYTCOM    时间: 2010-6-28 13:46
外形的更改 , 应该要重新审核报备的.
作者: jeremyho88    时间: 2010-6-28 13:57
外形更改,涉及到两个层面:第一,取消原来的小尺寸而改成大尺寸;第二,重新申请一个大尺寸,当然型号会有变化。不管那个方式,都是必须申请(报备的)。厂家的保证没有依据,很危险(当然未必UL一定能查得到,但你作为客户,何必冒此危险呢)
作者: week    时间: 2010-6-28 14:08
這種情況我以前做過,客戶給個插頭要求模仿,但是出來后還是有許多不同的地方,給人的感覺是猛一看,很相似,仔細一看,呵呵,有些許不同,當時我們就這樣做了幾批,沒出什麼問題...
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作者: rick.xiao    时间: 2010-6-28 14:22
需報備
作者: nancyzyh01    时间: 2010-6-28 14:38
你们厂家肯定要报备的,在他的ul 档案里面会有附件说明,你们也要备案的,不然抽查肯定会开vn 的
作者: andychen    时间: 2010-6-28 14:41
我也相信需要报备.
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                          2. 同时更新了规格书;
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那如何去控制呢?
作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2010-6-28 14:56
引用第11楼andychen于2010-06-28 14:41发表的  :+ s+ k: T. B: b6 d6 e
我也相信需要报备.
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  [9 T4 R- Y8 W! ^1 O3 p; I但我有个问题: 1. 如果电源插头供应商第一次就给你送已经更改了尺寸又没有报备的插头;! j+ Z1 ]% Y7 ?% V0 `1 Q, [* t4 M
                          2. 同时更新了规格书;/ m# f( v0 ~$ R( ^- S+ F+ r
                          3. 你在UL网站上查UL File No.也是有效的;4 l4 X; U+ k) z$ G- s
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Your know there is detailed description about the attachment plug in the FUS procedure, and there is an agreement between UL and its clients that the products must fulfill the description of its FUS procedure, so if revision occurs, it must be reevaluated by UL, even if only paper work,no additional tests are needed. As for the UL file No. can be checked through UL's website, I can tell you that the UL website only shows some general information about the products, such as the model No. and the marking description, that does not mean you can change your products as your will if the Model No. is not changed.' Q+ V. ?) }$ K7 C' M8 D0 u! [
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Make a conclusion that, as a certification engineer, you must focus on every change or redesign about your products and then compare these revisions with your FUS procedure and the related standards , check if the revision can fulfill the description about its FUS procedure or can fulfill the standards' requirements.
作者: andychen    时间: 2010-6-28 15:10
引用第12楼Andy.Yang于2010-06-28 14:56发表的  :6 ^: r) X0 ^' j
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Your know there is detailed description about the attachment plug in the FUS procedure, and there is an agreement between UL and its clients that the products must fulfill the description of its FUS procedure, so if revision occurs, it must be reevaluated by UL, even if only paper work,no additional tests are needed. As for the UL file No. can be checked through UL's website, I can tell you that the UL website only shows some general information about the products, such as the model No. and the marking description, that does not mean you can change your products as your will if the Model No. is not changed., y, Q# |# h/ d6 s6 Q! D) ^
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Make a conclusion that, as a certification engineer, you must focus on every change or redesign about your products and then compare these revisions with your FUS procedure and the related standards , check if the revision can fulfill the description about its FUS procedure or can fulfill the standards' requirements.
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是不是说,你用每一家有UL认证的产品,都需要向其供应商要其产品的FUS,不然不能用?
作者: gordon    时间: 2010-6-28 15:11
引用第11楼andychen于2010-06-28 14:41发表的  :% z" c. Z& [' x7 L4 v9 K/ |
我也相信需要报备.( N' X  P# g! g, R
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但我有个问题: 1. 如果电源插头供应商第一次就给你送已经更改了尺寸又没有报备的插头;+ k7 n+ ^) i* g: D
                          2. 同时更新了规格书;3 }. _1 ~' A& j
                          3. 你在UL网站上查UL File No.也是有效的;
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我也认同这兄弟的说话。怎么控制呢。一般这些厂家不给UL报告你审核的。只提供证书。
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作者: Andy.Yang    时间: 2010-6-28 15:22
引用第13楼andychen于2010-06-28 15:10发表的  :& N% P4 J. f1 G  B; b, F( Y

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Normally, that's right. so at the begining of the UL certification, some factories have to select several suppliers as the alternate items and let the UL engineer do the evaluation at the same time. it can avoid some questions later on, but not always the revisions need to be evaluated, it finally depends on the description of your FUS procedure. For examples, pls see below resumed description in the FUS procedure:
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# W3 p; @2 c* y2 kA: at this time, if the PWB is changed, but the new PWB is also UL approved, and have the flammability class 94V-0 or better, then the change is not needed to be reevaluated.
+ \  d0 z8 W/ L9 y0 N; x2.Enclosure---PVC R/C QMFZ2,94V-2, manufactured by XXX, LTD, Model.YYY.& [- M1 B, @5 b
A: at this time, if the material of the enclosure is changed to another model No. or another provider, then at this time,it must be reevaluated.. j$ |' n4 _" [) ^" p

" r+ d. {7 k& Mso all the revision should be compared with the FUS procedure's description,then decide to do next step...
作者: jiejie    时间: 2010-6-30 09:07
当然需要报备! 外形改掉后,那个插头和原来的插头完全两样。认证公司是不会认可的。
作者: kenhurricane    时间: 2010-6-30 11:35
1.UL 检查员到插头厂检查的时候,一般要工厂出具UL 文档,那个文档里有详细的尺寸,如果不符合就要开VN项;如果你们更改的尺寸非常的小的话,可以打擦边球;大了的话,需要报备;0 l% {4 s4 M/ A. W4 U7 o
2.做整机的话,UL检查员一般检查的是插头是否贴有UL标签;如果有的话,很少去检查插头的尺寸;因为他需要UL FILE才能知道具体的尺寸;近一年来,UL控制的比较严,会在整机厂对插头进行抽样;一旦发现有问题,贵司的整机将无法出货,你的供应商需要整改;
; ]% Y3 M, G) E3.还是不要为你的供应商进行冒险,要他去重新申报,应该没多少钱;
作者: lianlu    时间: 2010-7-12 16:14
需要报备~! 但是也可以打擦边球。
作者: joehuo    时间: 2010-7-12 16:38
插頭供應商自己控制就好了.即是認証產品.UL工廠審查員會去管控.( S' `7 w, I' L, ?+ U8 l
作為客戶可以要求供應商提供資料証明此插頭尺寸符合安規.有認証証書即可.
作者: lianlu    时间: 2011-5-30 13:53
有认证也不行的。一定要报备过。




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